Episode 04

Carolina and Jamie go to the pub and see something they didn't expect. Should they tell Emily? Jo and Adam examine the pronouns Carolina and Jamie use to talk about what they saw.


Jo and Adam

Adam: Hello and welcome to episode 4 of series 4 of LearnEnglish Elementary Podcasts. My name is Adam and, as usual, my colleague Jo will be joining me later to talk about some of the language in the podcast.

Last time, Tess and Ravi talked about a London tourist attraction: those big, red, double-decker Routemaster buses. Some of you have ridden on them in London and enjoyed the experience. Rodolfool from Brazil said that he once took a tourist bus like that in South Africa and Juhat said that there are double-decker buses in his city, Paris, for tourists to see the sights.

You also told us about other kinds of transport for tourists. Ghulam Yasir said that tourists in Pakistan can ride in Chingchi rickshaws and also cable cars in the mountains.

N4dia, from Italy, said in Rome tourists can take a horse carriage, called a 'carrozzella', a cable railway called a 'funicolare' in Naples, and, of course, a gondola in Venice

And what do you think about buses? Well, some people like them ... Safaa Mohammed Salih from Sudan likes buses because he can see all sorts of different people living their lives. And Ghulam Yasir likes them because they're comfortable and cheap for long journeys. Juhat likes buses but doesn't like the queues and having to wait a long time.

Enrico Sbrighi lives in the south of Italy. He used to like buses when he was a child but now he really likes driving a car. Donjeta Zejnull from Kosovo says ‘I really do hate taking the bus. It's always late and stressful.’ Donjeta definitely prefers travelling by car.

We asked you to tell us what your favourite form of transport is and the winner was – can you guess? – the car. Shadi Alkontar says it's the favourite form of transport in the United Arab Emirates. Kayk, from New Zealand says ‘it saves waiting time and is more flexible’. Donjeta says ‘I enjoy being on my own, listening to the music I like, without having to listen others' conversations.’ And Constautu from Romania says ‘I spent a lot of time in my car and during this time I’ve listened to Elementary Podcasts, Series 1, 2 and 3 several times.’ Well, that's a big advantage! But remember you can also download the podcast onto your phone and listen to it on the bus, on the train – anywhere. Also remember that you can download the Elementary Podcasts app from the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store and there’s also a link to the app on the LearnEnglish website.

Back to transport, Asuma Girlish says the taxi is the most popular form of transport in Morocco. Englishlover2015 from Yemen likes motorbikes, and so does Luiz Carlos from Brazil – even though they’re dangerous. And to finish up, both N4dia (Nadia?) and Rodolfool like to use ... their feet. Yes, a cheap and healthy form of transport. But what about my favourite? The bicycle!

Thanks for all your comments and please keep sending them in.

Now it's time to hear more from Carolina and her friends in Newcastle. What's happening today?


Carolina – The pub

Jamie: Hi. Sorry I'm late.

Carolina: That's OK. I haven't been here very long. How was your band practice?

Jamie: Great thanks. I think we're getting pretty good. Cameron's got a really good voice – and he's started writing some songs now – and they're good.

Carolina: Something like ‘Oh Emily, with your lovely blue eyes, and your yellow hair’ – dang dang dang.

Jamie: No. But seriously, I'm really glad we've got him in the band. It wouldn't be the same without him. And … we've got some exciting news. Let me just get a drink. What do you want?

Carolina: I'll have an orange juice, please.

Jamie: Crisps? Peanuts?

Carolina: OK. A packet of peanuts.


Jamie: Here you go.

Carolina: Thanks. So? Exciting news?

Jamie: We've got a gig.

Carolina: A gig?

Jamie: A gig. A concert. A job for the band. They want us to play at the Students' Union next month.

Carolina: A concert! That's fantastic. I'm so proud of you.

Jamie: Cameron organised it. He's friends with the guy who's the manager of the Students' Union bar.

Carolina: Well, that's a good contact to have.

Jamie: Yeah.

Carolina: Look. Isn't that Cameron?

Jamie: Where?

Carolina: Over there. By the window. With that blonde girl.

Jamie: Yeah ... I think so. Yeah, it is.

Carolina: So who's the blonde girl?

Jamie: I don't know. It could be anybody. A friend. His sister.

Carolina: He's sitting very close to her.

Jamie: Stop it. Don't be so suspicious.

Carolina: Look! You don't do that to your sister.

Jamie: What?

Carolina: He's kissing her! Look! A really long kiss. That's not a sister or a friend.

Jamie: Oh god. Whoa … wait … Carolina … What are you doing?

Carolina: I'm going over there.

Jamie: Oh, no you're not. Sit down.

Carolina: But he's supposed to be Emily's boyfriend. She really likes him. She's so happy.

Jamie: Just wait. We don't want to upset Cameron …

Carolina: Upset Cameron! What about Emily?

Jamie: Just wait. We need to think about this. We need to decide what to do. Look, I don't want Cameron to see us. I don't want him to know that I saw him.

Carolina: Oh Jamie.

Jamie: Come on. Let's take our drinks outside. There are some tables in the garden.

Carolina: OK. But you know we have to tell Emily about the blonde girl.

Jamie: Do we?

Carolina: Yes, we do.

Jamie: But if she doesn't know then …

Carolina: Then what?

Jamie: Then … oh I don't know. Come on. I want to get out of here. Let's talk about it in the garden.


Jo and Adam

Adam: Welcome back, Jo.

Jo: Hello again. Oh dear! What a shock! Cameron with another woman!

Adam: Yes. Poor Emily! Do you think that Carolina will tell Emily about it?

Jo: I don’t know, but I hope so. It’s only fair.

Adam: Sometimes it’s hard to do the right thing when you know it will cause lots of trouble and unhappiness. And do you think Jamie should say something to Cameron?

Jo: I don’t know, and I don’t care, to be honest. It’s Emily who needs to know.

Adam: Well, I think Carolina might not want Jamie to be friends with someone who behaves like that.

Jo: Maybe, but the important thing is to tell Emily.

Adam: I wonder if the other girl knows about Emily. Maybe somebody should talk to her.

Jo: I don’t know. That seems too much to me.

Adam: Why don't you write and tell us what you think? Should Carolina talk to Emily? Should Jamie talk to Cameron? Should someone talk to the other girl?

Jo: And what would you do in that situation? Send us your comments.

Adam: The address is www.britishcouncil.org/learnenglish.

Jo: And now let's look at some of the language from the podcast. Listen to Carolina. Who is she talking about?

Carolina: But he's supposed to be Emily's boyfriend. She really likes him. She's so happy.

Jo: She's talking about Emily and Cameron. Carolina says 'she really likes him'. 'She' is Emily and 'him' is Cameron.

Adam: 'She' and 'him' are both pronouns.

Jo: 'She' is what we call a subject pronoun. 'She' is the subject of the sentence 'she really likes him'. 'She' is the one who is doing something – 'she likes'. 'Him' is an object pronoun. Who does Emily like? She likes Cameron. She likes him.

Adam: Listen to another example. Who is Carolina talking about this time?

Carolina: He's kissing her! Look! A really long kiss.

Adam: She's talking about Cameron and the girl he is with.

Jo: And he's kissing her. 'He' is the subject of the sentence – Cameron – and 'her' is the object – the girl. This time we use 'her' because she's a girl.

Adam: Listen to one more example. Listen to Jamie and notice the pronouns.

Jamie: We need to decide what to do. Look, I don't want Cameron to see us. I don't want him to know that I saw him.

Jo: Did you hear 'us'? Jamie said 'I don't want Cameron to see us'. 'Us' is another example of an object pronoun. 'We' for the subject and 'us' for the object.

Adam: It sounds complicated, but it's really simple! There are some exercises on the website to help you with pronouns, and other language from the podcast. And I think that's all for this time.

Jo: Don't forget to send us your comments. See you next time.

Jo/Adam: Bye! 

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Submitted by jmajo on Wed, 03/02/2021 - 15:54

It depends on what kind of relationship they've got, I think Carolina should ask Emily if she has an open relationship with Cameron and if it's that way, she shouldn't tell him about it, but if Emily tell Carolina that she has a closed relationship, I think the right thing for Carolina to do is tell Emily about what she saw in the pub. The same apply to Jamie with Cameron, if Emily is ok with that behavior of Cameron and she would do the same in a similar situation with a guy, Jamie shouldn't talk to Cameron about it but if Emily don't would do the same thing that Cameron, Jamie should speak to Cameron and tell him that his behavior will hurt Emily at some point of the relationship. Despite it is a common practise nowadays in lots of relationships I would tell my friend about it in case he or her wouldn't be agree whit that behavior, but that always depends on the nature of the relationship each person have. Thanks for the episode. Great site!!

Submitted by Czar Aaron on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 20:48

Hi everyone, In my opinion Carolina has a right that she should describe this Cameron's trouble situation to Emily. Jamie has a right that Carolina should not talk to Cameron about his wrong behavior. Maybe Carolina and Jamie do not know something what it has happened between Emily and Cameron earlier. Now it is urgently that she talks carefully with Emily about Cameron's meeting. Emily should know it. Carolina may tell Emily: "What will you do if Cameron was with other girl too much close?", and then when Emily has answered, Carolina tells her truth what she saw.

Submitted by kayaahsen on Wed, 04/11/2020 - 16:18

I would definitely tell her. That's what a friend will do, right?

Submitted by Jhonny on Wed, 14/10/2020 - 16:51

Hello, The stories about Carolina's aventure are amazing, and I still haven't heard the next chapter, but I believe that the girl who is with Cameron is Emily, so don't worry, everything will be great. And in the other hands, I want you to thank for you great job, I really like and enjoy your podcast and I appreciate you for help us to learn English lenguage. Have nice day and see you next time.

Submitted by Marey Saad on Sun, 04/10/2020 - 18:50

We don't have such situations in my country, but if I were Carolina, I would tell Emily even though it is quite difficult to do it.

Submitted by danisep on Wed, 23/09/2020 - 20:54

If I was jamie I'd talk to cameron, is obviously that carolina are going to talk with emily and she gonna be upset, cameron needs to know and say sorry to emily, I hate cheatters, its better end the relation that break hearts, likewise It was good that Jamie, like Cameron's friend, did not let Carolina confront him because it could be embarrassing to everyone.

Submitted by Last biker on Fri, 01/11/2019 - 07:42

Hi, I can't understand very well what first "s" means (Cameron's got a really....) in this sentence (is from Series 4 Episode 4 Task 2) : "Cameron's got a really good voice – and he's started writing some songs now." This "s" is from "Cameron has got" or from "Cameron is got a really good voice..." Thank you so much for your answer

Submitted by Kirk on Sat, 02/11/2019 - 18:32

In reply to by Last biker


Hello Last biker

Here it is 'has': 'Cameron has got a really good voice'.

All the best


The LearnEnglish Team

Submitted by Sergey Sh on Tue, 08/10/2019 - 01:49

What did you expect? Cameron is a proper man who’d like only Emily amid all that fame being a singer of the band. No, I don’t think so. I have my own opinion about the situation. Cameron is a singer with, looks like, a very good voice. He write his own songs. Person like him always need something or someone for inspiration and new girlfriend is it. Plus there are many of girls who’re enchanted by his voice, so I guess he tend to meet new ones in the future. That’s difficult to affirm that if even Carolina informed Emily it would change something. I think Emily should have treated to this situation calm and wisely seeing that her new boyfriend is not the one she wish he would be and just leave him.

Submitted by Ghadah Alelaliw on Sun, 15/09/2019 - 14:03

I think Jamie should to talk to Cameron first and understand the situation why he is with that girl..and then Carolina can talk with her friend Emily.

Submitted by parisaach on Sat, 25/05/2019 - 09:49

I became very angry when I found out Cameron cheated Emily. If I were Carolina I would definitely tell everything to Emily. My friends are really important to me and I hate cheaters. I never can forgive a person who cheat me and never want to be with them anymore . If I were Carolina I went to his seat as soon as I saw him and let him know that he shouldn't play with a girl . I think Jammy is his friend and like him and he is on his side, so he dissuaded Carolina to go the Cameron's table.

Submitted by User_User on Fri, 15/03/2019 - 22:16

Hello I've got a question about a preposition. Jo says: "That seems too much to me." I can only find websites with "too much for me". Is 'to' wrong and 'for' right? Bye

Submitted by Kirk on Sun, 17/03/2019 - 08:14

In reply to by User_User

Hello User_user Both 'to' and 'for' are possible in this sentence, but are used in different contexts. 'to' is used to express an opinion (as Jo does here) and 'for' tends to be used more to speak about your own personal experience or desire. For example, if I were serving some food and put too much on Jo's plate, she'd use the preposition 'for': 'That's too much for me'. But here Jo is expressing her opinion about what Carolina should do. All the best Kirk The LearnEnglish Team

Submitted by Wasiu Giwa on Thu, 29/11/2018 - 18:00

while i was a six form college called gymnasium pupil before i began my foundation studies at The Open University, there was double decker in ghana similar to the bus you described in london.

Submitted by cuneyt on Wed, 28/11/2018 - 22:09

We just should respect their decision or we should just respect their decision. Which one correct? Can you help me?

Hi cuneyt,

The second option is the best one. You could perhaps hear the first, but the second one is much more natural.

All the best,
The LearnEnglish Team

Submitted by cuneyt on Wed, 28/11/2018 - 22:04

Hi Guys again Me=) I don't ( do not) want to say anything about their relationships but I can't (can not) keep quiet. so I want to take my stand. Unfortunately this is foolish situation. Perhaps somebody wil say me, "What did you see or understand?" Firstly, I will criticise to Emily. She didn't ( did not) research about her boyfriend before They didn't (did not) deside to become lover. İt is my rule, I should survey about my new girfriend.. Maybe this is sound crazy. like sharlock homes...Yes, I am!! . I must say both of them( Emily and Cameron) İf I were Carolina or jamie. The rest is their choose. they can break up or continue their relationships. We just should respect them sadly Camerons action is sufferable. I can't (can not) cool if were being in the emilys position. I am impatient Beacuse the relationship is holly all over the world.You shouldn't ( should not) ever lacerate and cheat your friends, wifes, darling Etc. Good night everyone. All the best.

Submitted by Hal55 on Tue, 10/07/2018 - 01:45

I think Jamie should ask Cameron and tell him that Jamie saw him with the girl at the pub. I think that Cameron will tell Jamie the truth and about the girl. but If Carolina asks Cameron, maybe he won't tell the truth. so, Jamie should ask him. If he is cheating on Emily, then they have to think about what to do next.

Submitted by viol on Sat, 27/01/2018 - 20:39

If I would be a carolina, I would say everything to Emily. She's her friend and she should do that because of friendship, otherwise Emily would be angry with carolina, that's clear. If Cammeron is a good guy, he'll understand this. He didn't say to his girlfriend about another, so he shouldn't expect hidding him. But if he would be angry with Jimmy- sorry, but knowing that kind of person is worthless. That's my point of view.

Submitted by Zeeshan Siddiqii on Tue, 23/01/2018 - 10:20

Hi sir, Supposing I want to say that something is found everywhere, for instance I am talking about a cell phone that in every part of world we see cell phones... hence if I say: Cell phone, where not? Is it ok?

Submitted by Kirk on Thu, 25/01/2018 - 08:04

In reply to by Zeeshan Siddiqii


Hello Zeeshan,

That sounds awkward because the sentence implies a verb but doesn't have one. You could say 'Where are they not?', though this wording is a bit strange. Maybe 'Cell phones: is there any place they haven't reached?' (or 'anywhere you can get away from them?').

All the best,
The LearnEnglish Team

Submitted by Zeeshan Siddiqii on Tue, 23/01/2018 - 10:15

Is it necessary that in a sentence following another sentence carrying two persons, one should be noun. I mean for example if I want to say: Mark has close resemblance to Martin; i.e. he looks like him. Is it fine? or I should say: Mark has close resemblance to Martin; i.e. he looks like Martin. or Mark has close resemblance to Martin; i.e. Marks looks like him.

Hello Zeeshan Siddiqii,

The initial sentence lacks one word: you should say 'a close resemblance'.

The three options are all grammatically correct and there is no rule which says you need to use a noun rather than a pronoun. However, there is an issue of clarity. The first sentence may be confusing as it may not be clear who is 'he' and who is 'him'. Of course, both of them look like the other so it may not be particularly important in this example but in other contexts this would be an issue. It's important to express yourself clearly and avoid irritating or confusing the listener.


Best wishes,


The LearnEnglish Team

Submitted by Letam91 on Tue, 05/12/2017 - 14:07

hello, If I were Carolina, I would talked to Emily. Poor Emily. regret for her faithful love to a man called Cameron. He does not deserve for her love. Being in lots of deep pain firstly, I hope she will met a better man.

Submitted by TitorGonzalez on Fri, 13/10/2017 - 01:40

Hello guys... To day was very interesting, my favorite way to travel, is the car. I love drive cars, Also it is very comfortable and you can go whit all your friends from everywhere, You can get faster to your destine, You can listend to your favorit music. Allmost the other ways to travel, don´t have this advantage.

Submitted by Tomoaki Hachiya on Fri, 08/09/2017 - 12:00

Hello, friends all over the world! My favorite form of transportation is definitely a train. You don't have to drive yourself, you just look out of the window to look all around you to find out the scenery around you. Or you can talk with the neigbours around you, saying just "Where are you from?, Oh you come from Italy. What is your native town like?" and so on... Such kind of encounter with a new friend is fun!

Submitted by VictoriaNY on Sat, 01/07/2017 - 11:42

Oh poor Emily...As for me, Carolina should tell Emily about long kiss between her boyfriend and the blond girl. But interesting what Emily will react on this. I think that she don't deserve such ......

Submitted by pablolozanoz on Sat, 24/06/2017 - 23:55

I definitely think Carolina should tell Emily about Cameron kissing another girl. It won't be easy for Carolina to do it but it's necessary, she's friends with her and even though Emily would go through a rough time, Carolina must tell her. And we all must not forget that the only responisble and guilty one here is Cameron, the blonde girl has nothing to do with the infidelity, she may not even know Cameron has a girlfriend!! Kisses

Submitted by intestine on Tue, 06/06/2017 - 12:18

Hello everyone. From the last episode, I've learnt that we use "on" for a bus or a train , but use "in" for a taxi or a car. but I noticed that Donjeta(one listerner) says ‘I enjoy being on my own(refering to his car)'in this episode. I was really confused. Is that right? Best regards.

Hello intestine,

The phrase here is 'on my own' and it doesn not describe where a person is but rather means 'by myself' (i.e. not with other people).

We can say, for example, I enjoy being on my own in my car.


Best wishes,


The LearnEnglish Team

I think that with 'on my own' she's referring to being alone in her car doing whatever she wants, so it's correct, while if she referred to being on her own car it would be a mistake.

Submitted by Shunlai on Tue, 23/05/2017 - 16:21

I think Carolina should talk Emily about Cameron coz she is Emily's bestfriend.It will be better to know early , so that Emily can decide what she should and she have more time to think about it. For Emily ,it will be better to hear that bad news from her best friend .

Submitted by khinpapa naing on Sun, 30/04/2017 - 13:07

I think Jamie should to talk to Cameron but Carolina should to wait for the situation after Jamie talking to Cameron. I will persuade him not to do this for his girlfriend.

Submitted by anaisavecas on Wed, 29/03/2017 - 04:18

Thank you. I really appreciate it.

Submitted by anaisavecas on Tue, 28/03/2017 - 03:00

Dear Team. In serie four, episode two, Carolina was with Emily and she sang a song: "Oh, Emily, with your lovely blue eyes, and your yellow hair, dang, dang, dang", and Emily says: " blonde hair Carolina, not yellow." I am confusing, becuause I am begining. What is the correct way? On the other hand, in episode four Carolina was her boyfriend Jamie, once again she sang "oh, Emily, with your lovely blue eyes, and your yellow hair, dang, dang, dang". But here, Jamie do not correct her. Please, would you like telling me which is the right one? regards.

Hello anaisavecas,

'blond' is correct and not 'yellow'. This shows that learning new words can require some effort! It might help to think of 'blond' as 'rubio/a' and yellow as 'amarillo/a' in Spanish.

All the best,
The LearnEnglish Team

Submitted by ejossue on Tue, 28/03/2017 - 01:53

I think that Carolina should tell what she saw to Emily because she's her best friend. Not telling her is the same like being part of a lie and in any time Emily will find out about the other girl. A good friend would do that. About Cameron, he is not honest because he knew that he had the engagement of being with Emily, so he played and took advantage of the trust that Emily had. It's not fair.

Submitted by jbeto25 on Sat, 04/02/2017 - 01:42

I bet Carolina should talk with Emily because she is her friend and Cameron is just a boy she knows. However, Cameron and Emily sholud fix their problems by themselves.

Submitted by FRADJA on Mon, 16/01/2017 - 10:53

Carolina should talk to Emily about all things not good about her friend but she has to be ensuring before. Jamie has to talk to Cameron and know the kind of this relation.