An interview about two books

An interview about two books

Listen to an interview about two books to practise and improve your listening skills.

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Presenter: Today we're looking at the darker side of literature with two books about not-so-happy families. And we've got writer Helen Slade and book critic Anna Kimura to talk us through them. First up, we're looking at Her Mother's Daughter by Alice Fitzgerald, a novel written from two points of view, one of a child and the other of her very troubled mother. Helen, I have to be honest. I found this one hard to read. It's very well written but, well, how did you find it?

Helen: I know what you mean, but I literally couldn't put it down and stayed up till three in the morning to finish it. There's something about immersing yourself in a family this flawed, this damaged, that's compelling. You'd never want to be in that family yourself, but that's what reading is about, isn't it? Wearing someone else's shoes for a while without ever having to live their reality.

Presenter: You surprise me! The families in your own books are a million miles away from this one.

Helen: Yeah, my readers can always be sure they're going to get a happy ending. Which you definitely ... I don't want to give too much away here, but you definitely don't feel like a happy ending is coming for these characters.

Presenter: OK, so don't mention the ending, but can you just describe for listeners what the book is about?

Helen: So, it's about a family with secrets. The mother has hidden her troubled childhood from her husband and her two children but, of course, it's shaped her entire personality and how she behaves as a mother and as a wife. Which is especially obvious when we're reading the sections told in the child's voice, even though the little girl herself doesn't understand the meaning of everything she's seeing.

Presenter: For me, what was really so shocking was less what happened to the mother when she was a child but how the mother treated her own children. Why is that, do you think?

Helen: I think we're all programmed to see mothers as something sacred and pure. As a child she was mistreated by her father, and in some ways we're not that shocked by that, which is a sad thing in itself, and her own mother didn't help her. As a reader we're less affected by that, I think, because that part of the story is revealed to us in the mother's voice, the adult voice. But the reason the way she treats her own child is so much more shocking is that the child is telling us about it and we sympathise with her. It's very clever how the author plays on our natural instincts to protect a child.

Presenter: Though we do feel sorry for the mother too. Or, at least, I did.

Helen: It's hard not to. She's trapped in her own unhappiness.

Presenter: And we're trapped right there with her as the reader. It made me wonder, Anna, why is it that miserable books like this one sell so well?

Anna: Because all of us have families. I suppose the books play out things we all see in much smaller ways in our own family lives.

Presenter: The other hard-hitting book this week is We Need to Talk About Kevin by Lionel Shriver. Now there's a family who have a problem!

Anna: They definitely do. Very few people will ever have a killer as a teenage son like the narrator in the book, but we can all identify with the challenges and often terrifying reality of raising teenagers!

Presenter: So can you give us the lowdown on Kevin, then, Anna?

Anna: This book is written from the point of view of the mother in letters she's writing to her husband, Kevin's father. Again, we shouldn't say too much about the ending, but the way the author uses the letters is very clever.

Presenter: I have to admit, I really enjoyed this book. It's a difficult topic, but it was much easier to read than Her Mother's Daughter.

Anna: As Helen said before, it's about the voice of the narrator. There's no child's voice and, in this story, the victims in many ways are the adults, though, of course, Kevin's sister is a victim of her brother's evil.

Helen: Yes, and the idea of where 'evil' comes from is a theme that comes out in both books. If you choose to call it 'evil' that is. I prefer to describe it as a complete lack of empathy. The mother in Her Mother's Daughter had a terrible childhood, but Kevin's from a happy home and good parents.

Presenter: Is he though? The mother often admits she found motherhood hard. Aren't we supposed to think she might have caused Kevin to turn out the way he does? Just like in Her Mother's Daughter.

Anna: Both books certainly look at how the mistakes of the parents affect children. And this is another reason we relate to these books. Parents are always worrying if they're doing a good job.

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Submitted by Evgeny N on Mon, 16/12/2019 - 10:55

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I like books of one author who was mentioned in this audio: Lionel Shriver. I read "We need to talk about Kevin". It is a book with a very unexpected ending. For me it was not so easy to read this book because author uses very difficult words and her language is very complicated. But in spite of this this book is worth to read! There is another book of Lionel Shriver which I also recommend to read: "The new Republic".

Submitted by Mahmoud Samir on Mon, 09/12/2019 - 16:49

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thanks a lot i have enjoyed this podcast, it's really interesting for me; as i like novels

Submitted by HelianG on Wed, 04/12/2019 - 19:27

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personally I do not like dark books because normally they have sad endings, I prefer to read adventures books or scary books,they keep me on the edge of my seat,although I would like to give it a try.

Submitted by Adam83 on Mon, 30/09/2019 - 18:42

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Hi, Could you please explain why the correct answer for the 2nd sentence in Task 2 is B? Thank you in advance. Regards, Adam
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Submitted by Kirk Moore on Tue, 01/10/2019 - 06:37

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Hello Adam83

Even though B is not the best summary of the reasons that Helen liked the book, it is clearly a better answer than the other two. On many official English language exams, the correct answer is not always the most satisfying answer, but it is clearly better than the other options, and so by the process of elimination, it is the correct answer. This is what we had in mind when we worded this question this way.

All the best

Kirk

The LearnEnglish Team

Submitted by eleh on Wed, 11/09/2019 - 19:40

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Sometimes I like to read the "dark" books. Our life is not easy. There are good and bad things. Probably, these books will learn us to solve our own problems.
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Submitted by AL-Mustafa on Wed, 26/06/2019 - 10:18

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For me , i don't like dark book and horrible movies , because for me it look more dramatic and it is presenting ideas not exist on our live and its can bring fear to people in nothing . For example the clown who kidnapped children and no one know where he take them .
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Submitted by Hoàng Nhung on Wed, 26/06/2019 - 09:01

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I don't like to read dark books.

Submitted by VyacheslavKr on Wed, 24/04/2019 - 14:35

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Thank you very much! This lesson is exactly my level of English. And a very interesting one.

Submitted by NKCHI on Tue, 09/04/2019 - 05:35

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hi, it has an error with the listening file. Could someone check for us? Thank you.